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Acrylic

Discussion in 'Growing Areas' started by Jeff9, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. Jeff9

    Jeff9 Member

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    Does anyone have any experience with non-glass cabinets, i.e acrylic?

    I know there's a big market of acrylic tanks for aquariums, but i'm not sure which exact type of material they are using and the construction is also different.

    Would like to know if warping and discoloration of the material over time are factors.

    Jeff
     
  2. Magnus A

    Magnus A Ph.D.

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    Hi Jeff
    I have built my own acrylic growing cabinet, not in use anymore. It had 1 cm sides and bottom, 5 mm front, back and top. The front opening was 120 cm wide and 80 cm high , one single door. The cabinet was 60 cm deep.

    The humidity inside (about 70-85 RH) was enough to seriously warp the front and the back. Several cm of per 0.5m. The sides was warped but as it was not to prominent.

    I had it for about 3 years with fluorescent light, 4*54W T5, no natural light, no visibly colouration.

    /Magnus
     
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  3. Jeff9

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    Hi Magnus,

    Thanks for your information.

    Do you know how the aquarium builders achieve such massive designs without warping? Some tanks are really big and ontop of that also hold a massive quantity of water, is it some special plastic or acrylic that does not warp? Or construction?

    Did you retire it because of the warping issues? What i am looking to make is only 60cm wide x 30-40cm deep and all sides closed except front, so i would assume using a thicker acrylic would make it quite rigid

    I also read that cell-cast acrylic should barely warp (if at all using proper construction), i think this is what the reef tank folks use too. If anyone knows anything about this that would help

    My cabinet actually has acrylic doors and they warp. (Though they are likely the cheaper extruded acrylic)

    Regards,
    Jeff
     
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  4. Ricardo

    Ricardo Slave of demanding bird

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    At least so far as aquarium are concerned, the issue with acrylic is that it scratches much easier that glass.
     
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    Thanks for that Marni.

    I found a local supplier which use the highest quality cast acrylic, the sheets arrive cut exactly to spec. Which means i don't have to waste any time doing that, as i will receive professionally cut sheets that can be bonded.

    The cast acrylic (as i've now found out) does not warp, especially not when glued together.

    My reason for acrylic over glass is that the seams are much nicer, it's alot lighter, its stronger and has alot better light transmission properties than glass.

    I find that the prices are very reasonable too. For example, a 6mm thick 60x40cm sheet costs only 8 euros cut to size (approx. $10) - And yes that is the highest quality cast acrylic.

    I think i can get my cabinet redone for little over 50 euros in acrylic
     
  7. Magnus A

    Magnus A Ph.D.

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    Jeff

    I retired my acrylic cabinet when I bought my large corner cabinet. Not for the warping.

    The thick side panel was cast but they still warped some. The acrylic does absorb some water and swell some. Therefore the warping, the "wet side" change dimention more than the dry side. Thivker panel less deformation though. I also think aquariums are mad with much thicker panels than 5 mm and the corner of two thick panels will prevent warping due to the more rigid strukture.
    /M
     
  8. Jeff9

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    But did you use cell cast acrylic or extruded acrylic? The most readily available is the cheaper extruded which will expand and contract along the extruding direction causing the warping.

    The cell cast should not warp at all from what i've read.

    I think i can make the structure so that it does not warp, but i'm just having difficulties coming up with a design for the front door.

    If it doesn't warp at all it won't be any issue of course. I think i will make a hinging front face instead of sliding doors, so it falls flush with the tank walls.

    I'm actually getting quite excited about the acrylic, they have milk-white and matte versions too and there's alot more possibilities to make more complex designs.
     
  9. Magnus A

    Magnus A Ph.D.

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    Jeff

    What I remember, my thick side panel, 1 cm was cast acrylic, the front, 5 mm was extruded.

    The front warped in all direction.
    The sides did warp but much less. maybe due to thickness.

    As a chemist I have a hard time to understand why extruded acrylic should warp but not castcast ! Water get into the plastic and it swell regardless if it is extruded or not. The wet side will chang dimention more than the dry side.
    If the explenation is that extruded acrylic should have more ordered polymer chain it should only warp in one direction, but mine did warp in all direction.
     
  10. SpeciosaBlue84

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    Jeff, would you post your finished tank please? I would love to see what you've done! :)
     
  11. catsma_97504

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    Since you asked....acrylic aquariums are made of much thicker material. Depending on the overall tank size it can be 2-3 cm or thicke. It doesn't warp due to the bracing that supports every seam.

    Acrylic does become fairly brittle over time. Exposed to direct sun and summer heat or to sub - freezing temps and it will actually break apart. I was given a 55g (208 l) tank for free. Not knowing its history I set it up in my home. About 3 months later it broke into 5 pieces before my eyes and flooded 3 rooms in my house.