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Biological Control of Fungus Gnats: Bt toxin or Parasitic Nematodes

Discussion in 'Issues, Disease and Pests' started by Dave The Scientist, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. Dave The Scientist

    Dave The Scientist Active Member

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    I seem to be having a problem with fungus gnats with several of my plants and it appears to be spreading. I know the fungus gnats won't actually hurt the plants but for aesthetic reasons, I would like to get rid of them. Because this is indoors and also because of my ethics and concern for my safety, I would like to avoid using any chemical pesticides. I tried one application of a pyrethrins and sulfer spray produced by Bayer call Natria, however they came back and it also smelled horrible so I don't plan to use that again. I was thinking of using either a Bt toxin product formulated for fungus gnats(Gnatrol) or parasitic nematodes that attack the larvae(Nema-Globe is one brand). The Gnatrol has a longer shelf life (1-2 years) than the nematodes(1 month refrigerated) so if I need to use it again the Gnatrol would be a better bet, however the nematodes can establish a sustainable population in the media so it may offer longer lasting protection. On another note, the Gnatrol ($8.50) is significantly cheaper than the nematodes($19).

    Does anyone have experience with one or both of these methods and what have your experiences been with them? Thanks everyone.
     
  2. Ray

    Ray Orchid Iconoclast Supporting Member

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    I view fungus gnats as the "canary in the coal mine" - an indicator of a more serious problem.

    If you have gnats, it means that you have decomposing potting medium that is supporting fungal growth, hence the gnat larvae.

    Time to repot into fresh medium, not just to bury of the canary.
     
  3. Dave The Scientist

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    That is good to know that it can be a sign of degraded medium, however I don't think that is the case in my situation. Excluding one orchid, all of the orchids affected have been repotting into fresh media within the last few months and my growing space (my house) is not humid or hot enough to cause really rapid breakdown of media. I am just realizing that the gnats on some of these orchids may actually not be breeding in the mix, as it isn't especially far(10-12ft) from the fruit bowl and the bin we keep food waste in until we get around to taking it to the actual compost pile. They may just be migrating over there from the fruit bowl/food waste bin, where there are occasionally some fruit flies.

    I am not sure when the one orchid excluded above was last repotted as I bought it in its current pot about 9 months ago, but the bark mix in it looks solid and fresh(checking by look and feel from both the top and through the drain hole). That plant is also growing like crazy and looks super healthy, which is another sign(in my mind) that the mix is not bad. Growing as well as it is, I really don't want to disturb it if I don't have to. This orchid ( a No ID grocery store phal), has had fungus gnats on and off for probably about a month or two and it is pretty far from the kitchen in a room that the door is usually shut on, so I know its not fruit flies. All the others, I just noticed had gnats in the last few days.

    Another question, are fungus gnats a different species (or group of species) than ordinary fruit flies or do we just call them different names in different settings? They seem visually indistingushable, but I know that doesn't necessarily mean much.
     
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    Yes, they are an entirely different genus. Google is your friend!

    I obviously cannot tell you source of the gnats, but without there being a "good" environment, the adults will not lay eggs, so there will be no population.

    Also be aware that merely repotting may not be a cure, as the larvae can burrow into roots, and worse, if you get into a situation where they outstrip the fungal supply, they will eat the roots.

    Bt is supposed to be quite effective, and many folks make a "tea" by soaking "mosquito dunks" in water for a few days, then pouring that through the medium.
     
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    I think once you have the air circulation addressed much of this will disappear. Vacuums also work wonders. If they are popping up and flying around- suck them up.
     
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    I have only seen fungus gnats when regular putting soil gets too wet for a while. They are easy enough to control, just let evening dry out more than normal. The adults only live a few days, the drying out will take care of the larvae.
     
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    Fungus gnats are very destructive. The larvae eat the roots. Very destructive, esp those with small roots and/or seedlings. A canary in a mine analogy is not quite right. If you see the adult flying stages, you have many, many larvae eating away at the roots.

    Nematodes work very well. I use sticky tape to tell me how many I have. If a few, I use H2O2 a few times. If many, I use nematodes each time I water for a few times. They will rapidly consume all the larvae. But you need to catch them in their hatching cycle.

    Nematodes are expensive, but unlike what they will tell you, they will keep for about 6 months in the fridge.
     
  9. Ricardo

    Ricardo Slave of demanding bird

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    I grow my plants outside and fungus gnats are always a sign of excessive humidity in the area. The simplest control procedure is allowing the media to dry to a greater degree than what favor the gnats. Locally fungus gnats are only a problem during a very short part of the year. During the dry season a lot of leaf litter accumulates in the forest floor without decomposing. When the rainy season arrives, humidity goes through the roof, fungus proliferates to a staggering degree feeding on all the leaf litter and the fungus gnats population explodes.
     
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    I grow pinguiculas, a carnivorous plant, in my orchid area, and it keeps the gnats under control.
     
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    And yellow glued traps sure help…
     
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    And yellow glued traps sure help…
     
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    I went with the parasitic nematodes and it seems to have worked with only one application. Its been about a week and no sign of gnats. I'll probably do another application in a little while to try to establish a sustained population.