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Bulbophyllum musicola

Discussion in 'Orchid Identification Section' started by Marni, Nov 12, 2015.

  1. Nov 12, 2015 #1
    Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    This came from northeast India labeled as B wallichii. I don't know why I didn't measure the flowers or photograph the plant, but hopefully someone will recognize this. As I remember, the flowers were about 1.5" long.

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  2. Nov 12, 2015 #2
    KellyW

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    Well, certainly not wallichii. Maybe in the Section Brachyantha like B. muscicola?
     
  3. Nov 13, 2015 #3
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    Love the bronzey yellow ♡
     
  4. Nov 20, 2015 #4
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    looks like one from Bulbophyllum retusiusculum group, aff.

    but Bulbophyllum wallichii (Lindl.) Merr. & F.P.Metcalf 1945 = syn. of B. muscicola
     
  5. Nov 20, 2015 #5
    KellyW

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    Confusing. I see that in the literature now.

    I don't follow the taxonomic changes and iterations. Mostly, I don't care because the differences are often microscopic. In this case it seems a bit bizarre.

    Bulbophyllum wallichii Rchb.f. in W.G.Walpers, Ann. Bot. Syst. 6: 259 (1861).
    This name is accepted.
    (per http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/namedetail.do?name_id=27737)
    The drawing associated with this fits the species with a raceme vs. the umble on Marni's plant. I'm not arguing because I don't have enough data. Just confused o_O

    IOSPE also says that the Section Tripudianthes (which includes wallichii, refractum, tripudians) has been eliminated.:D
     
  6. Apr 7, 2016 #6
    Pankaj Kumar

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    Looks close to Bulbophyllum pumilio.
    Pankaj
     
  7. Apr 20, 2016 #7
    Pankaj Kumar

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    Ok, i had a chance to look at floras from Sikkim. I even contacted Mr. U C Pradhan from Kalimpong and he said this is sikkimense, but I am sure this is not owing to the blunt apex of dorsal sepal and lateral petals. I think this is Cirrhopetalum wallichii which is now known as Bulbophyllum muscicola. Seidenfaden kept it under the synonymy of Bulbophyllum retusiusculum but he was wrong. Also reported from Nepal and Vietnam. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    It seems I have 2 of this species. I think I now understand the naming issues. Thanks!
     
  10. Apr 13, 2019 #10
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    For people who might be interested in this weird synonymy, I dug down a little bit, and tried to explain the situation at the end of this blog post. It might not be well explained, but I included links to the original texts of the old literature, so it might help.
     
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    Excellent post on your Orchid Borealis blog Naoki :clap:
     
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    Marni

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    Gary, I just looked them up. They are both from the same nursery in India, just with different labels and 7 years between the first and 2nd purchase. From the images, I would guess probably the same species but different clones.

    The chances of me finding the two of them in bloom to compare is pretty slim even if I still have them. I had a problem with my water late last year and have lost at least 20% of my collection.

    Any ideas on what you think they are?
     
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    Marni

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    Thanks, Gary. The names have been updated. I've been trying to find them in the collection.
     
  16. Apr 16, 2019 #16
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    Gary, by any chance, do yo happen to know who argues that B. muscicola is a separate species from B. retusiusculum? Seidenfaden (1973, Notes on Cirrhopetalum Lindl, Dansk Botanisk Arkiv, 29 (1)) has a lot of information comparing the regional variations of B. retusiusculum, and he had B. muscicola as a synonym of B. retusiusculum. But he had B. hookeri as a separate species (the key seems to suggest the leaves are smaller for B. hookeri). But others consider B. hookeri is a synonym of B. muscicola, and separate them from B. retusiusculum. The literature supporting the later treatment in Kew WCSP doesn't seem to have any discussion. So I'm just curious to see if there is a more thorough studies after Seidenfaden (I kind of got into a dead-end in my line of lit. search).