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Goodyera species?

Discussion in 'Orchid Identification Section' started by Ray, Sep 13, 2010.

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  1. Sep 13, 2010 #1
    Ray

    Ray Orchid Iconoclast Supporting Member

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    I recently expanded my collection of jewels, and have run into an ID discrepancy.

    This was sold to me as Goodyera hispada:

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    However, every Goodyera hispada I have seen had multiple central veins like these:

    awww.firstrays.com_Pictures_orchids_Goodyera_hispada.jpg

    A Google image search for "Goodyera" did show one plant close to the first, but the label in the image merely stated "Goodyera sp.". Anyone have an idea on the species?
     
  2. Sep 14, 2010 #2
    EdM

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    Ray, the top photo looks exactly like the Ludisia discolor var. alba plants.
     
  3. Sep 14, 2010 #3
    PaphMadMan

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    I agree with EdM, your plant appears to be Ludisia discolor alba, or possibly one of its hybrids. Definitely not Goodyera hispida.
     
  4. Sep 15, 2010 #4
    This_guy_Bri

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    i was thinkin' the same thing....
     
  5. Sep 16, 2010 #5
    Ray

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    Ludisia discolor alba? But the leaf shape is entirely different. Every Ludisia discolor I have ever seen has very broad, heart-shaped leaves, not long, pointy ones.

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  6. Sep 16, 2010 #6
    This_guy_Bri

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    Ray, i don't think that's a Ludisia
    maybe a Anoectochilus?

    these are my three clones
    sorry about the crappy lighting

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  7. Sep 16, 2010 #7
    PaphMadMan

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    Ludisia discolor alba does tend to have narrower more pointed leaves than the most commonly seen colored forms, such as the third pic from This_guy_Bri. I agree with him that the pic from this post does not fit with my mental image of Ludisia, more likely Anoectochilus.
     
  8. Sep 16, 2010 #8
    Ray

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    My mistake, folks.

    That is a cross between the type L. discolor and the nigrescens variety, which - to my eye, anyway - looks a lot like an anoectochilus.
     
  9. Sep 17, 2010 #9
    This_guy_Bri

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    i agree, doesn't really look Ludisia-esque
    you'll have to bloom it to be sure!
     
  10. Sep 18, 2010 #10
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    I have not seen it flower but I believe this was part of a mass meristem and that all such plants in cultivation are a single clone. A couple years ago you would see flats of these come in to orchid shows.
     
  11. Nov 5, 2010 #11
    piotrm

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    you have at least three different genus and tens of tens of species which looks similar, guessing is pointless here
     
  12. Nov 16, 2010 #12
    Ray

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    Another mislabel identified!

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    Correct, it's not a ludisia species, but incorrect, it's not an anoectochilus either - it's a cross between Ludisia discolor and Anoectochilus formosanus.

    Looking at the anoectochilus image at orchidspecies.com, the veining pattern is quite similar, while retaining the ludisia colors.
     
  13. Nov 20, 2010 #13
    Ray

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    Sheesh... a correction of a correction.

    "Bri" was right, that's definitely Anoectochilus chapaensis, above.

    The plants sold to me as A. chapensis are actually Ludisia discolor x Anoectochilus formosanus:

    awww.firstrays.com_Pictures_orchids_Ludisia_discolor_x_Anoectochilus_formosanus.jpg
     
  14. Nov 20, 2010 #14
    mrbreeze

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    That was my guess but I was too shy to post it. :eek: