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Heating in Maine

Discussion in 'Growing Areas' started by Mr_Quality, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. Mr_Quality

    Mr_Quality New Member

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    Hi All,

    Seams odd talking about heating in June, but if I'm going to make any changes I guess now would be the time.

    I have a 8' x 12' 3-wall greenhouse. It's got a cedar wood deck floor that's about 2 1/2' above a concrete slab with radient floor heat. The heating engineer talked this setup over with BC Greenhouses and agreed that it should work well. I need to add supplemental electric heat, which isn't ideal. Two winters later I think I need to do something different.

    I think the problem is that in Maine the change from daytime high to nighttime low temps are too large and rapid for the massive concrete slab to adjust adequately. Are there folks out there in wintery areas like mine, who have come up with ways to make slab heat work for them?

    Thanks,
    Mike
     
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  2. msaar

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    Let me ask a couple of questions before I make a complete fool of myself.
    -You say "massive" concrete slab. How thick is it?
    -What is the fuel source of the heat.
    -What is the output (Btu or watts) of the heating system.
    -What is the construction of the walls/roof.
    Now I'll do what I was going to avoid (potentially making a fool of myself). I believe the problem is that the cedar deck is blocking the heat. Since your heat relies on radiation from the slab, the deck blocks that radiation. Have you ever taken the temp below the deck in winter?

    (another) Mike
     
  3. Mr_Quality

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    Hi,

    Sorry for the delay.
    -The concrete slab is 12" thick
    -The heat is from an oil fired hot water furnace
    -Don't know the BTU to the greenhouse. It's one of 4 zones on the same whole house furnace that heats my home
    -The walls of the crawl space (under the deck floor) are insulated wood. The greenhouse itself is 3-wall poly.

    Mike
     
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    Another questions.
    Is the slab at ground level, or is the deck at ground level? If the slab is at ground level, it needs to be well-insulated with several inches of rigid polystyrene, to keep the heat inside, obviously. Even if the slab is below grade, it should have some insulation. (I'm not sure about the building code requirement for Maine, but I suspect the foundation should be several feet below grade to be below the frost line)
    You are right in one respect-a heated slab will be slow to respond to the drop in temperature a greenhouse experiences when it loses sunlight. The thermostat should be adjusted to have sufficent lead to help anticipate the need for heat. (Many thermostats are adjustable to call for heat at a given differential above the set point, and turn off at a differential from the set point)
    One of the principles of a heated slab is that some heat is provided by infrared radiation which heats the objects they fall on. Your intervening deck obstructs that radiation from reaching your plants (although I suspect the deck is very comfortable). Although you don't mention it, it is possible that there is not enough space in the deck for convection currents. My thought is that you would benefit by pressurizing the "crawl space" with a fan and duct arrangement that would force warm air through the space between the deck boards. I still believe that a big problem is that the deck blocks the heat from the slab. Another thing that might help is to have a minimum flow setting to never completely shut off the hot water flow to keep the slab warm (maybe it already does).
    All that being said, the problem is not hot water heating per se, but that you may not be able to provide heat at an initial rate that matches your heat loss in some conditions. An alternative of last resort might be to replace the in-slab piping with above-deck fin-tube piping like traditional greenhouse heating. This is obviously all theoretical, since I haven't seen your greenhouse, but I hope I have been of some help.

    (another) Mike
     
  5. Mr_Quality

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    Thanks. I am supplementing with electric heaters, and I put two thermostatically controlled fans in the crawl space. It's not what I want to do though. I'd prefer that the heater worked! I suspect this winter I will be converting to traditional radiators.