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miniature orchids on vacation? (misting systems)

Discussion in 'Growing Areas' started by chicago chad, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. chicago chad

    chicago chad Active Member

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    For all you terrarium growers...
    So I have run into a bit of a problem. I currently have about 300 plants in 5 different enclosures. I have a few vacations planned and my previous helpers have tapped out due to the shear amount to do everyday or twice a day. Although it may only take 15 minutes or so they cannot comprehend how important it is to be thorough.

    Does anyone have experience with setting up their own misting systems for terrariums like the MistKing? If I can get some of them to 'take care of themselves' for a few days I may be able to pawn the others on someone for a few days.

    What I need to know:
    How many nossle heads do I need for each tank? I have about 60 plus species per tank from top to bottom. The tanks are 18x18x24"
    Will I need a separate water tank/setup for each terrarium, each running on a separate pump?

    Thank you in advance.
     
  2. Tom-DE

    Tom-DE Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    How many days are you going away for?

    For my growing condition(cooler temperature and good rh and perhaps a lot more open than most indoor setups), I don't need any help if I'm only out of town for four or five days. I water the plants well on the day I leave, then lower the fan speed(or place the fan far away than usual). You can shorten the light hours also during those days. Just remember, the plants in the mail takes three or four days sometimes.

    PS, misting is not the same as watering. When I water my plants, I "hose" them down.
     
  3. chicago chad

    chicago chad Active Member

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    I can only get out of town for about 3-4 days at a time. When I have gone in the past I will usually take one fan out of each tank. I also cut the lights down substantially and even remove a bulb out of the hood. I am still worried about the tiny Lepanthes/Dendrobiums and such that are mounted.

    What I also do is stuff all the sensitive stuff in one tank so that it can be 'focused' on.

    Most of the plants are fine and I up the fogger quite a bit as well.

    This time I am getting more concerned and I would rather overcompensate. So if I can get one misting system up, it will resolve my uneasiness. I know that they only mist as opposed to me drenching them but I think that should suffice for the short amount of time. If it was not in the hotter part of the year I would not be as concerned.

    August and even Sept. feels more like mars.
     
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    Tom-DE Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    That is what you have to do for a mixed collection.
    Another thing I will do is that I put some of my tiny, unestablished, sensitive ones in a more enclosed area(For example, inside a bucket) if I am out of town for few days.
    As long as you have good "constant" humidity, I don't think you need to worry about your Lepanthes, and your Oxy Dens should weather better than Lepanths in general. Keep up the rh, and with the help of your fogger, your mounted plants should be fine for 4-5 days without watering.
     
  5. Ray

    Ray Orchid Iconoclast Supporting Member

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    I just recently set up a Mist King in a terrarium-like environment - my seedling nursery, which is a 6' x 4' x 3'T box assembled from a hydroponics flood tray and styrofoam sheathing. It is lighted with LEDs, has air circulation fans, and as of about a week ago, the Mist King.

    I am very pleased with the "Ultimate Value" system, and am quite certain it would handle all five enclosures from a single pump & RO reservoir. I would speculate that a double nozzle each would be sufficient. I am using 3 of them for the 48" x 72" enclosure.

    The digital timer Marty provides is great! I have mine set to run for one minute just as the lights come on in the morning, and for a couple of 5-second spritzes late morning and again in mid-afternoon, just to boost the humidity a bit.

    I agree with Tom that such a system might not be absolutely necessary, but once you get it operating, you're going to wish you've had it all along.
     
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    chicago chad Active Member

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    Ray how much water do the 3 nozzles tend to spray per day in your setup? a gallon? half gallon?
     
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    Chad, I have successfully kept my tanks on "auto-pilot" for upwards of two weeks using a Mistking system. I also use those systems for my frogs, so I think I can answer your questions. I grow my orchids in a 36x18x18 Exo. In that, I use four nozzles, but it probably should be 5 to get the best coverage. I run the misters 3x a day: 30 sec at noon, 1 minute at 3, and 30 seconds at 6. My tanks are only about half covered with glass/plexi, so there is a lot of outside air allowed to enter. A fan runs 24/7, and I do not use a fogger.

    The starter pump can run up to 10 nozzles, and the premium (or whatever it's called) can run 20. You can hook multiple pumps to the same water reservoir without a problem...it will just use the water in the reservoir more quickly. I don't know the exact amount that is put out per day, but I do know that with my misting regime, I can go 2+ weeks with only a 5 gallon bucket full of water.

    I think this answers most of your questions. Feel free to ask others that I missed or that you come across with research.

    P.S. I haven't forgotten about you. Work just has me out of town all week, and I haven't been able to catch up with my weekends.
     
  8. chicago chad

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    Perfect Zach thanks. That is exactly what I need to decide if it is worth it. I may have to go buy one and give it a shot. One question I have is how to port the tubing into the tanks in the most effective manner. I currently use plexi glass covers between the lights and the tanks. I can try and drill holes but I don't want to do that until I know everything is positioned properly.

    I always prefer to water by hand but this is becoming a reality for me sooner than later.
     
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    Do you still have the screen tops on the Exos? The tubing runs across the top of the tanks, the nozzle input is outside of the tank, and the actual mister part is inside. I simply take pliers, make a few cuts and then spread the screen away. This leaves a hole large enough to mount the nozzles. If your tops are all glass/plexi, then you will need to drill the holes. I can take some photos of the misters on my tanks this weekend for you.
     
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    Chad - I don't know the actual volume, as my reserve tank is refilled from an RO system, and the tank is equipped with a float valve, but I'd guess that the flow is far below a couple of liters per hour.
     
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    Thanks Ray. The whole deal is something that I feel I should tackle before I have to and get in a bind. If I can get one set up this way than I know I will not have any catastrophes. I would like to keep as much water off the bottom as possible but I guess I will have to just let it fill. I can siphon it out later.

    In a perfect world I would have tanks like Karma's, whom I haven't heard of any orchid stuff from in quite a while. I have looked into custom building a tank but the products, either polycarbonate sheeting or tempered glass are pricey.

    And thanks again Zach. I still have all of the covers but I removed them and cut plexi glass to cover the tops. When it begins to bow at the edges I flip it. If the tubing sits on top of the tank it may be a problem. I will have to take a look at some setups online. All of my fixtures, each different in type and light intensity, cover the top, edge to edge. That is at least for the inner 6".

    Anyone more handy then myself have suggestions for drilling 3/4" holes through plexiglass? It tends to fracture.
     
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    wpinnix William Pinnix

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    Hey Chad, to prevent fracture: tape plexiglass on both sides, start with a small drill bit and work your way up to final size in 3-4 steps. Put plexiglass on hard surface so it won't bow. Apply light pressure, not a lot. Spray drill bit with water while drilling to keep the plexiglass cool. When you get to the larger drill bits be careful as they want to grab the edges of the hole....try reversing the direction of spin, it will take longer and heat up more (remember to spray), but won't grab. There are some good tutorials online. Also, try not to drill too near the edge of the sheet.
     
  13. chicago chad

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    Thanks Bill. I will give it a go with some scraps. My concern is getting the holes as close as I can to the edges.