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naming a cultivar

Discussion in 'Everything Else Orchid' started by marc, Jan 6, 2010.

  1. marc

    marc deathray

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    so, i have an unnamed cattleya species (c. trianae) cultivar that was purchased through art chadwick, jr and was told it was jungle collected.

    i'd like to register a name for it. how do i do that?

    happy new year, all!
     
  2. marc

    marc deathray

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    here' a pic of the flower...
    cattleya trianaei_ unnamed.jpg
     
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    Roy Member

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    Marc, if this plant you say is "un-named" then you call it Cattleya trianaei ( correct spelling ) and use the word "cultivar", I'm confused but to try and sort it out.
    If this plant is C. trianaei, then thats it. There is no other name that you can "register" with anyone. If its "jungle collected" plant with out a variety name I find that very strange to say the least. All you can do is call it, eg. C. trianaei var. Marc, nothing else.
     
  4. Ray

    Ray Orchid Iconoclast Supporting Member

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    "Cultivar" and "variety" are not synonymous.

    A true variety displays a unique characteristic that separates it from the type species. For example, a "blue" flower in what is commonly another color - Phalaenopsis violacea var. coerulea.

    A cultivar - "cultivated variety" - is merely a convenient way to separate two plants that are otherwise the same.

    In this case, as the plant appears to be a really nice "type" specimen, a cultivar name is appropriate, but attaching the "var" is not.
     
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    This_guy_Bri weirdo

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    i may misunderstand you, but the only way people register a name with a specific cultivar is if that cultivar gets awarded. the thing is, if the one you got is not the only division that's been sold, someone else may have already gotten it awarded and then they'd be able to name it.
     
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    Dale New Member

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    A plant doesn't need to be awarded to assign it a clone name.
     
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    Chris New Member

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    On another note, NICE trianae!!
     
  8. This_guy_Bri

    This_guy_Bri weirdo

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    right, but if it's not awarded, is there a way to register the name in a way that would be more recognized than if i were to write it on the label of the plant? (does that make sense? i feel like i can't quite say what i mean....)
    then again, if the person who owns it doesn't care if it's recognized, then writing the name on the tag would be enough, right?
     
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    "if the person who owns it doesn't care if it's recognized, then writing the name on the tag would be enough, right?"

    Right. I have multiple clones of many species. Giving them a clone name avoids confusion and helps keep track of divisions.
     
  10. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    You might want to check with the vendor to see if it is a division and if it has a clonal name. Just because it was jungle collected, doesn't mean there aren't multiple divisions. I have a division of Catt. percivaliana 'Summit' FCC/AOS that is a jungle collected plant, but it was collected over 110 years ago. Also, if you have a clonal name from the vendor and someone else gets a quality award from the AOS or RHS then that is theoretically "value added" to your division. As divisions get spread around it helps to have a clonal name that goes with the plant so that you don't end up buying a division of a cultivar you already have.

    It is orchid etiquette to continue to use the clonal name for divisions you make if the plant came with a clonal name. However, I know of several instances where a plant has been awarded multiple times under different clonal names even though the people clearly knew that the plant they obtained was named when they got it and in at least one instance that it had been awarded before.

    And, very nice clone you have there.
     
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    Ray Orchid Iconoclast Supporting Member

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    Cultivar names are actually never "registered". When you get a plant awarded - a situation where it must be a registered hybrid or known species, AND have a cultivar name attached - that name is "recorded" only.

    As Dale explained, one is welcomed to assign a cultivar name of ones choice, provided the name you want is already not in use for the same species or hybrid, or the plant does not already have one. (Not that such a thing would ever happen - I've seen the same stuff Marni observed)
     
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    The RHS will publish cultivar and cultivar group names of unawarded orchids. You may want to contact Julian Shaw for further details about how to go about doing this.
     
  13. marc

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    thanks all, for straightening me out on nomenclature and procedure.

    there is no clonal name for this particular plant, until i give it one.

    i plan to show it in the next couple of weeks, and wanted to see if i needed to have a clonal name associated with it before it was shown, and wanted to know which organization was the appropriate registering authority.

    will return with news of the judging. it would be my first awarded plant.
     
  14. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    Can we have a contest to name it for you?
     
  15. marc

    marc deathray

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    sounds like fun, although i was thinking of naming it after my girlfriend, "allie's day off" as she took some time to go buy it with me a while back.

    on the other hand, i'd like to see what you all come up with. go for it.