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Phal speciosa - cannot keep one alive. Tips?

Discussion in 'Orchid Culture' started by Delilah, Feb 25, 2016.

  1. Delilah

    Delilah Orchidaceous

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    I grow about 50 Phal hybrids and species successfully. They are in various media from bark, to sphagnum moss, to mounted. For some reason, my Phal speciosas always eventually die. I've bought them from different sellers, and tried both small seedlings and quite large young plants, in bark and in live sphagnum.

    I just lost my best ones, at the height of Summer, after losing two smaller ones in Winter.

    Any idea what it is that Phal speciosa needs that's different from what other Phals need? I adore this plant and would love to be able to grow it reliably.

    Thanks.
     
  2. naoki

    naoki Well-Known Member

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    Mine seems to grow well under similar condition as other (intermediate-warm) Phalaenopsis. Mine is growing in fairly weak artificial light (<1000 fc), Max/min of 29/18C (75/65F) in the winter 24/18C (85/65F) in the summer, RH >70%. It's in med. bark. I would guess that growing in live sphagnum could be difficult (dead sphagnum would work).
     
  3. Delilah

    Delilah Orchidaceous

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    What makes you say with confidence "dead sphagnum would work"? If live sphagnum doesn't work, which most orchids adore and respond to incredibly well with massive root growth, why do you expect that that would be difficult for speciosa...but the dead version would be successful?

    Can I ask how long you have had your speciosa growing in bark? Did it come that way from the seller, or did you re-pot it from a different medium?
     
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    I also keep carnivorous plants, and live sphagnum works well for some of them. But to keep them alive, you have to keep them fairly wet condition (they are bog plants). It does work well with Disa uniflora (in translucent pot). But I think that it is difficult to keep epiphytic orchids and live sphagnum alive in the same pot for a long term. In a larger pot, the middle part of sphag seem to die. I have used several time successfully to revive rootless Paphs and Phals with live sphag on the top 1 inch of the pot. But I usually need to move them to the normal media after a year or so. But it sounds like that you are having successful with the completely wet roots. Maybe it is similar to the principle of Ray's semi-hydro.

    With Phals, dead sphagnum moss does work well (frequently used by asian growers). But the timing of watering becomes trickier (for me) since the variation in drying time among pots (and among season) seems to be high in my condition. I have to watch the drying rate carefully for individual pots, so it is too time-consuming. I sometime use dead sphag for seedlings or weak plants which I intensively watch, though. But once they become bigger, I usually move to bark based media. But it is just something which works better for me, and I think that you can use whatever media which you are most accustomed to.

    I have had my P. tetraspis 'C1' (P. speciosa is a synonym) in the bark mix since 2012 spring (about 4 years ago). I got it from Ten-Shin as a bare-root plant (it is supposed to be the mericlone of the original 'C1'), so I don't know what it was growing in (probably dead sphag like most growers in Taiwan). I've been neglecting it since it's been growing well, but I probably should repot it soon... This photo is from about 2.5 years ago:
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    Phalaenopsis tetraspis 'C1'
    on Flickr

    Here is a paper about the synonymization (the change in the morphology is pretty interesting):
    http://richardiana.com/pdfRich/Richardiana-vol14-28-Phalaenopsis speciosa.pdf
     
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  5. Delilah

    Delilah Orchidaceous

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    I am so jealous!

    All of mine seem to suffer after re-potting - even into the same but fresher and looser moss - and die quite quickly after that. My other Phals respond well to the exact same thing, so I'm very puzzled.

    For whatever reason, growers here supply them in moss. Other Phals react badly to being taken out of moss and put into bark, with a long and risky adjustment time, so with speciosa I have been very careful lately, using the same media. But still not happy!

    I guess I should try bark again...
     
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    One ipa meeting I was at we talked about tetraspis and it loving shade, being one of the shadier grown Phals. The other being its warmth. I've employed both those to the best of my ability in the greenhouse on a mount and enjoyed good success.
     
  7. Delilah

    Delilah Orchidaceous

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    Thank you DP, that's a helpful pointer. I just realised today that I have one small speciosa/tetraspis C1 remaining, growing in moss. It's been getting 20% sun, so I've moved it into <5%.

    A couple of questions...

    1. In your greenhouse, do your mounted Phals ever dry out? I don't have a greenhouse or a terrarium, so mounted Phals, which also need to be indoors in Winter (very dry air), are hard to manage. If they can dry out without ill effects, it might be OK.

    2. At your IPA meeting they mentioned tetraspis as one of the shadier Phals. Do you recall which were the others?

    Thanks :)
     
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    Being mounted, it does dry out. For several days at a time. That's just mine though. I maintain that growing it potted is equally suitable.
     
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    Hi Delilah.
    For some 20 years, I have cultivated some plants of Phalaenopsis in Indonesia - where
    they originate from. Nurserymen in Indonesia will not grow Phalaenopsis plants in moss ...
    they will use relatively large pieces of clean fir bark.
    Here is my tip : you might fix the plant to the edge of the pot, so that the plant hangs
    over but does not wobble, then fill-up the space of the pot with a few pieces of large
    fir bark ('large' relative to the size of the plant) - and please provide LIGHT to your plant.
    You might hang the pot slightly tilted. Chances are, that your plant will be sending some
    of it's roots over the outside surface of the pot ...
    Water and fertilizer-in-water should of course be sprayed not onto the leaves, but onto
    the fir bark - at a time when the temperature is 20°C or more.
    Regarding LIGHT : I have seen plants of Phalaenopsis amabilis mounted to coconot trees
    and receiving full sun light - however, extremes (too little or too much) are never a good
    choice ...
    I wish you to have success.
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    PS : hybrid plants are 'rough-necks' ... species plants usually are not.
     
  11. Delilah

    Delilah Orchidaceous

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    Thank you Stanhopeus! I might try your hanging-in-a-pot-of-chunky-bark method :).

    I have just bought a P. speciosa X Hawaii Dragon Girl (= Penang Girl x Dragon Tree Eagle). Wish me luck!
     
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