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Phal wilsonii? Phal honghenensis?

Discussion in 'Orchid Culture' started by Alexis, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. abaxter

    abaxter New Member

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    Nope, no descriptions. Just my observations on the one's I have. P. wilsonii does smell
    very good and sweet, but the fragrance of modesta is quite different and very grape
    koolaid. There's no mistaking that grape smell for anything else and it's very strong.
    P. wilsonii has a delicate fragrance. P. modesta grabs your nose and twists it. I have
    two modesta in bloom right now and the whole gh smells like a kid's birthday party!
     
  2. Ray

    Ray Orchid Iconoclast Supporting Member

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    FWIW, that plant was purchased as stobartiana, but was later acknowledged by the seller as not being that.

    It is tiny and deciduous, so I am leaning toward honghensis
     
  3. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    So can anyone here give a definitive answer as to how these species are delineated?
     
  4. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I am unfamiliar with P modesta but just looked it up in Christenson's monograph and it doesn't sound anything like honghenensis or wilsoni.The flowers of modesta are described as "fragrant in the early morning, the sepals and petals white with variable purple transvers barring, the sepals greenish toware thir apices, the lip purple..." It is listed as coming from 50 to 900 m and is in the subgenus Polychilos.

    I have a Phal ID'd by Eric Christenson (not a guarantee of correctness) about 15 years ago as P honghenensis and it definitely has that grape koolaid fragrance. P wilsonii, honghenensis and related species are in the subgenus Aphyllae.
     
  5. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    I got an answer for the difference between wilsonii & honghenensis from some guy at Redland! He was selling both species, and he sounded like he knew what he was talking about. So I'm gonna go with his explanation. :) Wilsonii & honghenensis are identical except for the contour of the wilsonii lip kind of looks like a "w". Like the photo Ray posted. Honghenensis, on the other hand, doesn't have the "cleft" lip, so it's shaped more like a "u".
     
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    Seems like there are a lot of Phals that get confused. I bought something that was labeled Phal braceana, but was told by someone who should know that it was wilsonii based on the flowers. It does have sort of a W-shaped lip, but doesn't smell like grape kool-aid. It's semi-deciduous like the other Phal wilsonii that I have, losing its leaves if it gets too hot or cold.
     
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    I do love this orchid family and I also sometime confuse about this two species. I observe this species both in the wild and in "captivities" and I found of different thing between this two species is spike and the petals. One species that I call wilsonii have thin spike and the petal also thin and the other for honghenensis have more round petal and usually a bit bigger than the other.
    Some one can correct me if I'm wrong.