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Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself' started by Helen1976, Oct 10, 2023.

  1. Helen1976

    Helen1976 New Member

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    Hi,

    I’m new to Orchids and this forum. I wondered if someone could please give me some advice?

    My Husband brought me an orchid yesterday that was reduced in price. It has these brown crispy air roots that I’m not sure is a bad thing or if they need cutting or just to leave them alone?

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    Many Thanks.
     

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  2. LepanthesSalad

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    Hi, that usually happens with orchids from supermarkets etc. These orchids are grown in greenhouses with good humidity level which isn't available anymore once they sit on the shelves.
    What you see is mostly dried roots and now are gone, if you can provide us with pictures of the inside plastic pot (or you can also check yourself) to see if there are green roots and tips inside the pot. That is most likely and it means that the plant is doing ok. The roots if not recently watered can be grey too.
    I would suggest you to repot it in orchid bark once there are no flowers and then cut off the dried roots but with no rush as long as you see healthy roots in the pot.
    If that's the spot you leave the plant I also would move it closer to a window with more light.

    Welcome to the forum!
     
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  3. Ray

    Ray Orchid Iconoclast Supporting Member

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    Hi, Helen.

    A little background: Phalaenopsis are epiphytes that grow clinging to trees in the wild. Such plants have evolved to doing much of their respiratory gas exchange through their roots, unlike terrestrial plants that do most of that through leaves. Because of that, the number one “trick” to growing most orchids is managing the supply of both air and water to the root system.

    Many grocery-, or hardware store-bought plants are potted in densely packed sphagnum moss, which can present a challenge to doing so, hence LepanthesSalad’s recommendation to repot into bark.

    If you can find a way to keep the potting medium evenly moist while remaining airy, you’ll be well on your way to great success.

    If you have an interest in delving into this further, firstrays.com is a collection of over 250 articles that explain the “why” behind the “what you should do” advice spread all over the internet.
     
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  4. Helen1976

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    Thank you so much for replying. It was brought from a M&S store. I have enclosed pictures of the roots. Please can you advise me if it’s worth saving with these roots? I have read so many conflicting articles on cutting the roots. That’s why I wasn’t sure if it was ok to do so? Again thank you for replying.
     
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    Helen1976 New Member

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    Here is a photo of the roots.
     

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  6. Helen1976

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    I did not know this. Thank you so much for replying. You all clearly are experts and know what you are talking about. Next time I’ll go to an orchid nursery rather than a supermarket. Thank you again for replying hopefully it can be saved.
     
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    Another picture of roots.
     

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    Can it sit on a window ledge? Or just near a window?
     
  9. LepanthesSalad

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    Great explanation, Ray!

    It can sit both near a window and on a window ledge, just it doesn't like direct sun.

    Your plant looks really healthy. As you can see the roots are there and it is potted in bark, you can see that is now hydrated from the green roots inside the pot. When you see they start to become grey/silver then you can water it again (usually once per week but it depends how much water you give each time), don't leave it soaked in water for too long though. Don't leave water inside the crown (top part, between the leaves)

    You can cut the air roots which are not alive anymore if you are bothered form the look but it is not necessary, however after some time (every year or two) it is good to give the roots a clean by cutting the old dried ones so nothing brakes down and repot the plant in new bark.
    If you cut the green side don't worry because the plant isn't going to die, those are hardy orchids.

    Nursery's have different species and usually give more quality, but this plant looks really good anyway!
     
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    Thank you so much again for your guidance and recommendations. I will move my orchids closer to the window. I will definitely buy them from a proper orchid nursery rather than pot luck with supermarket ones. After all I have no idea how long they are in transit or sat on a shelf. That’s good to know about the colour of the roots and when that if silver then it needs watering. I’ve been only watering my other orchids every 2 weeks as I’ve been afraid to overwater them as I know that they hate too much water. That’s all I know about orchids. They are just so beautiful I’d love to be able to care for them even though they are precarious plants. Again thank you so much for all this information. I’m so grateful.
     
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  11. LepanthesSalad

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    No worries, it’s always a pleasure to help!

    Depending from your conditions it might be good to water it every two weeks. If you live in a really dry weather then probably is too little. Don’t worry though because you can experiment what’s best for you and your environment. As I mentioned before orchids (especially hybrid Phalaenopsis like yours) are hard to totally kill.
    I have two that are now starting to take off since more than 6 months without roots. When I purchased them the media was a sponge like material and it was too watered from the market (not a nursery), they lived with no roots because I had to cut off the stem and roots for rot issue.
    Markets and supermarkets have the “sells the most you can” approach so sometimes (like my two orchids but not yours) you have 3 flower spikes and only 4 roots in total.

    It’s a nice hobby to have orchids especially since you can select what you like and there are a lot of easy orchids to care, here in this forum you can find a lot of helpful people who can suggest you good starting orchids species for home conditions.
     
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  12. Helen1976

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    It certainly is a nice hobby caring for my orchids. I don’t let anyone near them apart from me. I’ve been given them 2-3 ice cubes as they are equal amounts depending on the size of my plants. My small ones I was just given 1 to begin with, as you say they are watered so much in the supermarkets when you get them they are sometimes soaked. I tend not to water them for about 3 weeks when I first get them because of this problem. That was such a good tip you have me on the roots being silver/grey when they need watering as the difference in colour after they’ve been watered is quite prominent. The one my Husband got on offer was the driest orchid we’ve ever brought. It didn’t have any moisture and was bone dry. So I’ve given her 3 ice cubes and the roots are nice and green and she seems to have perked up a bit as she was a bit limp yesterday.

    You all seem to know what you are talking about so any future issues I’ll be sure to come back for advice. Thank you so much. It’s so nice of you to give your time to help others.

    I’ve also moved all my orchids to a west window ledge and in the sun but not directly.

    I really like the look of the Dendrobium Noble Orchid. Sorry it’s not spelt right. It’s a kings comet one. Are they hard to care for? They are such expensive plants. I don’t want to waste my money if they are more for experts rather than beginners?

    Really can’t thank you enough.
     
  13. LepanthesSalad

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    For ice cubes you mean the quantity of water or actually ice?
    Yes usually when plants are with price reduction nobody has water it since probably a week at least.

    Sure, you can always ask here and someone will help you.

    I have the Dendrobium you mentioned and I find it to be really easy to care and rewarding. Mine during summer gets also direct sun and it didn't mind at all, actually it flowered two times this year with multiple keikis so I can definitely suggest it as a plant.
    Plus the fragrance is sweet and really nice!
    It also depends from your conditions, apparently it likes a drier winter and I water it less than my Phalaenopsis. The summer here isn't too hot and during winter it gets quite cold, it grows in a window ledge. As all the orchids it likes the temperature drop day/night
     
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    It’s generally recommended to use liquid water rather than ice. (The ice cube thing is some gimmick from orchid companies to sell more orchids.. I guess). This is for several reasons. The first (and most obvious) is that ice is cold, most orchids that are grown indoors are tropical plants so the cold water can damage their roots and stems. The second is that an ice cube contains less water than you might think, this can lead to dehydration and in extreme cases, even pest issues. As for water, depending on your conditions enough lukewarm water to start coming out of the holes In the bottom once a week/when The media is mostly dry should work.
     
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    LepanthesSalad,

    That’s brilliant thank you. I will be buying one now. They look beautiful and I’ve wanted one for a while so this is awesome. It’s such a beautiful looking plant.

    I read on the internet that Ice cubes was the best way to water them? But reading yours and The tomato’s comment I’m starting to think I shouldn’t be doing that? I didn’t think that you could tip that much water in to a little orchid as it’s too much water? I’m all confused now? The warm water makes sense as they are in the rain forest and it would be hot and humid. Just didn’t think I could put that much water in where it would run out the bottom? Obviously you guys are right as you know your stuff. I’ve clearly been reading in the wrong place.

    Thank you from now I will give it warm bottled water. Does that mean though with a larger amount of water it will need longer to dry out?

    Sorry for all the questions I really am a beginner and have clearly no idea how to care for them.

    That also makes sense why the on sale orchid was so dry. I’d rather they not water them to be honest. Some have been soaked through that I have brought. I have found a site called love orchids and I’m going to buy one from him as he has his own orchid nursery.

    Again thank you LepanthesSalad and the tomato.
     
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  16. LepanthesSalad

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    I think it can even be dangerous due to freezing…
    I would not complicate anything honestly. If you have good tap water I would just take a glass a pour it without any measure like I do. Just cool water from the tap (or rain water if you can) and as The Tomato mentioned once a week.
    If you see too much water just pour it out the pot maybe leaving it for 5-10 minutes. Nothing is going to happen to the plant anyway unless you leave it in water for like two days.
    You have bark so it dry quite fast and it has good air flow.

    For the Dendrobium same thing, but I would water every two weeks. Sometimes I forgot to water it for almost a month and it didn’t mind at all.

    Keep us posted when you get the Dendrobium
     
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    That "just add ice" think is certainly a marketing gimmick, but there is some logic to it - excepting the freezing temperature.

    Most large-scale phalaenopsis growers use densely-packed sphagnum moss, and in their environment and short hold time, it's fine. In the home, however, it may hold water too long and the air flow I mentioned earlier can be easily filled with water - especially if drenched from the top - suffocating the roots.

    If, on the other hand, that water is barely trickled into the medium, it tends to wick evenly via the fiber strands, leaving the inter-strand void spaces open. A slowly-melting ice cube does just that.