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Possible to add a foliage section?

Discussion in 'Website Support & Feedback' started by rollinkansas, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. rollinkansas

    rollinkansas Active Member

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    It seems like most people here never post plant foliage. I dont know if they think their plants arent that good looking, so they just post the bloom, etc, but for me at least, half of the enjoyment of the plants I keep is the foliage.

    And its kind of hard to do that when so few people post what the actual plant looks like, and just focus on the bloom.

    So I propose a section on the forum where people can just post the plants...some of these have really interesting foliage....

    Anyway theres my suggestion.
     
  2. Forrest

    Forrest Really Neat

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    Thanks for the suggestion. We have actually talked about this idea a few times. It always comes back to there not being enough interest to open its own section. So what I do, is if there is a particular plant that I am interested in, I ask if the person would not mind posting a picture of the plant itself. It is not a 100% method, as some people resist, but I find that some people are quite happy to oblige.

    Some people will act indifferent about it, but are secretly happy when you ask the question. Like Dale for instance. He loves that question.
     
  3. rollinkansas

    rollinkansas Active Member

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    I guess the whole point is I do not want to have to ask in every single thread if the person will post the foliage. I dont think it could hurt...maybe it wont be super active, but I still think its good to have around.

    I know I will post every orchid I have it, and Im sure others would too, although probably not to the extent of the bloom thread.

    This is the one aspect of orchid forums,and orchid "people" I dislike..not one forum I have found has a sub-forum for foliage and it gets very frustrating sometimes trying to find foliage pictures of a certain plant. And your right, some people seem really uptight about showing the actual plants...Ill never understand why.
     
  4. Dale

    Dale New Member

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    *smacks Forrest*

    I'll make a plant photo if the genus isn't commonly grown or if the species is vegetatively unique for the genus. It takes me 30 seconds to describe the plant. It takes me 15 minutes to make a photo. The possibility of me making a plant photo specifically to post to a Foliage Section is infinitely small to non-existent.
     
  5. rollinkansas

    rollinkansas Active Member

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    I mean this in the nicest way, but if you arent photoshopping a picture, I dont see how it could take the average person more than 2 minutes. I take the photo, open MSPaint, resize it, and Im good to go...how does it take 15 minute?
     
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    I like the idea personally! Unique foliage is one of the draws for me to the more unique species. Since I just put pics up on photobucket anddont alter them its no big deal for me. You see the foliage all year, you only see the flowers briefl in comparison. Lets have a foliage thread COME ON!

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    I like it too. I usually have to google or search flicker to find full plant photos.
     
  8. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    I think a foliage thread would be a good idea in the Everything Else Orchid section. And that image would be a good starter! Go for it!

    To the original question... a "foliage" section isn't going to happen. A foliage thread, though, is a good idea.
     
  9. rollinkansas

    rollinkansas Active Member

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    Im not talking about common species, but if you know you have a unique or uncommon species it makes absolutely no sense why you wouldnt post a foliage shot as well.
     
  10. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    Re-read Dale's post. It might make sense to you then.
     
  11. rollinkansas

    rollinkansas Active Member

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    That is one person...It at least looks to me that most people regardless never post foliage shots.

    I do agree the idea of starting a foliage thread is a great idea. I just wish orchid people in general would stop being so uptight about how their mounts look, etc and just post foliage as standard practice, not as a courtesy to someone asking.
     
  12. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I frequently show a whole plant shot, because I am interested in the plant as well as the flowers. However, I agree with Dale, it is a lot of work. Since it isn't hard for you to shoot them, you could start posting a lot of foliage threads and others can follow suit if they like it.
     
  13. rollinkansas

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    What I dont understand is that people take the time to post blooms, but to post a foliage shot is so much work its not worth it?

    Maybe because i dont have backdrops or anything to my shots and shoot with a point and shoot its different for me?
     
  14. Forrest

    Forrest Really Neat

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    I think what it comes down to is that once you have been growing for a while, there are very few plants that you do not know what they look like. And of those that you don't, there are even fewer that you care to know what they look like.

    I do not think that you will win the hearts of the masses by insisting on a campaign to alter the way people post. But, you may have some great success leading by example. I look forward to seeing your foliage thread and the pictures that will fill it.
     
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    I will start making sure to post foliage pics Mike
     
  16. Dale

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    "I dont see how it could take the average person more than 2 minutes."

    That's part of the difference right there. Photography is part of my orchid passion and I want to do the best job I can with the equipment I possess. I got over snapshots when I was 12.

    Here's what happens when I make a photo:

    I trudge my tired ass out to the GH and find plants I want to photograph.

    I bring them back to my 'studio' and place them on a table.

    I change lenses from my everyday lense to my macro lense.

    I change camera settings from 'full auto' to 'manual'.

    I find my gray card and make an exposure for custom white balance.

    I get the plant I want to photograph and place it on my 'stand'.

    Then I pose the plant/flower and make sure it won't move during the exposures. I often take several to many minutes for this step. Tape, clothes pins, wire splints...

    I mount the camera to the tripod and move either the subject, stand, or tripod to achieve the frame I want.

    If I'm making a stacked photo, I make sure my macro slider is at the far back position to provide sufficient rail to span the required DOF.

    I then make a test exposure and adjust f/stop or shutter speed to achieve correct exposure.

    I then make a series of photos, up to 12, for the stack.

    I bring my camera back in the house and download the photos to my hard drive.

    I open the RAW files in Capture One, make adjustments to the series of photos for that frame, then convert the RAW files to Hi-Res jpegs and save them in a folder.

    I then open a focus stacking program (either CZM or Helicon Focus), select the files for stacking, and click 'run'. The focus stacking program sometimes takes 5-7 minutes to do the stack, but I'm not counting that against my 15 minutes.

    I save the stack and open it in Adobe PhotoShop Elements for final polishing and title-ing. Save.

    Done!

    I'll admit... the steps after "Then I pose the plant/flower..." are pretty much a duplication of steps that would be required to make a flower photo, other than re-framing and a lense change, but processing is the main time expenditure for me.

    I make my photos for my personal enjoyment and records. I'm happy to share them with the forum as long as I don't get too much heat for what I choose to photograph and what I don't choose to photograph. You can find thousands of photos of masdevallia, oncidium, dendrobium, cattleya, etc, etc, etc...... on the 'net.
     
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    I knew the general consensus of what the answers would be before I made this thread. I didnt plan on changing anyones posting habits, I just wanted to know what was the deal with 95% of orchid growers on forums(not just this one) who never post foliage shots.

    This thread has just proven what I have assumed. Theres little point to a foliage thread when I will most likely be one of just a few responding to it. Im not upset, however,because at least I have gotten responses on why people dont post foliage shots (however minute the reasoning might be).
     
  18. Forrest

    Forrest Really Neat

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    Don't let Dale fool ya. He loves to be asked. Seriously. He has nothing better to do.
     
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    This what I was looking for. A valid reason for not posting. I too love photography, but clearly not to the extent of true fanatics. To me, I dont look at the photos in amazement, but more of "ohh, so thats what it looks like". I would have the same reaction to a foliage shot..."oh so now I finally know what the plant looks like", although Im sure as the author of the pic you would critique it more than I would.

    So thanks for posting that, I figured it had to do with the photo fanatics. :D
     
  20. Marni

    Marni Well-Known Member Staff Member Supporting Member

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    That may have something to do with it.

    When I am taking photographs, I try to get a quality that I can publish in an article if I want to. It depends on what you want to do with it. I can take an excellent quality photo of a flower up to a couple of inches in diameter with a ring flash in the greenhouse with a hand held camera. That is enough to document the species for identification, comparison to another clone, or for purposes of advertising. If I want to get a good whole plant shot, I have to take it into a room with lights, backdrop, tripod etc. I'm not doing it with other people in mind, I'm doing it for my own purposes.

    It isn't an accident that Dale has unbelievable sharp, beautiful images that tell you everything you need to know about the flower. And it isn't just that he has a REALLY expensive, REALLY good lens (which he does). It is because he works at it.

    We look forward to seeing your post including foliage.