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Weedy thing

Discussion in 'Orchid Species' started by Jon, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    I found this weed growing in my greenhouse. Anyone recognize it? Is it noxious? It's growing in a 4" basket that I was hoping to grow a bulbo in.

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  2. Alexis

    Alexis New Member

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    I'd saturate it with RoundUp as soon as possible, Jon. Better to be safe than sorry with these mangy things, I say. (If you don't have any RoundUp, send the weed to me, and I'll make sure to take care of the problem!)
     
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    Dale New Member

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    Floozo's gonna have a stroke.
     
  4. orchidsmyhobby

    orchidsmyhobby New Member

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    LOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!
     
  5. Posey

    Posey New Member

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    Yup Round-Up. Those ugly flowers and its scragey vegitative appearance are just too painful to look at. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Even the trashed wire on the basket is disturbing to look at.
     
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    Mary Jane New Member

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    Poor Mr B....
     
  7. Uluwehi

    Uluwehi angraecoids, dendrobiums and more Supporting Member

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    It's spectacular Jon! :clap:
     
  8. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Anglican Supporting Member

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    I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

    Just call it Angraecum nassersuxassii
     
  9. Brant

    Brant dazed

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    I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. :clap: :D

    nice plant as well
     
  10. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    LOL!
     
  11. Mary Jane

    Mary Jane New Member

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    LOL!!:cool:
     
  12. Uluwehi

    Uluwehi angraecoids, dendrobiums and more Supporting Member

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    I think I've got a positive ID for it: Angraecum cultriforme as described on pages 81-82 of Angraecoid Orchids.
     
  13. Uluwehi

    Uluwehi angraecoids, dendrobiums and more Supporting Member

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    I measured the flower and it fits the description for Ang. cultriforme perfectly. :)
     
  14. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    I've seen such great variation in the same plant from year to year that measurements of sepal, column, and petal width, length, convexity, and concavity aren't enough to warrant speciation. It's one reason I call BS on awarded plants. Just because a plant has large flowers when awarded doesn't make it an incredible clone. My bulbo longissimum had flowers that were >14" one year. The flowers were about 7" this year. Much smaller, narrower, shorter, and shorter lasting. Changes in culture and length since the prior blooming are all factors in flower measurements. While I appreciate your measurements pointing toward a different species, I have to take issue with the original separation of the two species.

    *rant off*
     
  15. Uluwehi

    Uluwehi angraecoids, dendrobiums and more Supporting Member

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    I appreciate your rant Jon, and I totally agree with you on the first issue. Flower size and quality can vary quite a bit depending on growing conditions and annual climate cycles on a single clone, not to mention variation within a single species.

    Of course my measurements are taken from a stem cutting with a single flower, but I took time to read and compare the descriptions for all of the species described under the sections Conchoglossum, Angraecoides, Filiangis and Afrangraecum and the only two that came close to the plant I have in hand are Ang. cultriforme, Ang. stolzii and possibly Ang. firthii. The first two are both members of section Conchoglossum while the last is from Afrangraecum.

    In the description for the section Conchglossum it says, "Some of the species are difficult to to distinguish from each other, particularly in Tanzania. Many of the species seem very close to some of those in section Angraecoides, which for convenience in this book we have reserved for the Madagascar and Mascarene species. Further study of the limits of both of these sections and the related section Filangis is needed." Ang. firthii belongs to the section Afrangraecum whose description includes this, "...some of which seem to be close to section Conchoglossum." To me this indicates that more detailed taxonomic study is needed. I am sure phylogenetic research would shed even greater light on this.

    In the table below you can see how your clone seems to fit within what Stewart, Hermans, Campbell have down for Ang, cultriforme. Ang. stolzii description is remarkably similar differing by only 0.5-1.5mm in places, only lacking ligulate leaves. Ang. firthii is much larger in foliage, significantly larger in most of its floral parts and has a three-lobed lip.

    I am not going by pictures on the web, because who is to say these have correct identifications. It's also worth mentioning that the book Angraecoid Orchids does not have pictures of the first two species.
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  16. gg68

    gg68 Angraecoid addict

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    The shape of the plant doesn't look like A.cultiforme!!??:confused:...and the spur is really different of what I've already seen....too short!!

    I seems to be close to A.erectum and A.moandaense....
     
  17. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    In other words, "let's make a mess and have someone else come clean it up later so long as we get to name species now."

    I'm not really one that has to peg a species name onto my plants. I have tons of tags that just say "sp" on them. When I sell this plant, I'll make sure I include a link to this discussion.
     
  18. Uluwehi

    Uluwehi angraecoids, dendrobiums and more Supporting Member

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    Ahh, isn't it fun?

    You should go with something along the lines of Ang. sp. 'taxonomic headache' :D
     
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    I'm just now finding this post. Whatever the ID, that is an awesome plant, and an amazing specimen. Congrats on obviously great culture. Do you still have it?
     
  20. Jon

    Jon Mmmm... bulbophyllum...

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    I do not still have it. I sold it in late 2010.